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Writer Judd Winick's screenplay brings "Batman: Under the Red Hood" to animated life

By The Editor
June 11, 2010 - 06:39

Judd Winick has returned to Gotham City with a vengeance. The
award-winning cartoonist has successfully transitioned one of his
benchmark storylines from comic book pages to animated film with the
upcoming release of Batman: Under the Red Hood, the latest entry in
the popular series of DC Universe Animated Original Movies.

Born and raised on Long Island, New York, the University of Michigan
graduate gained national fame as a cast member of MTV’S The Real
World, San Francisco in 1994. In the wake of the death of his Real
World roommate and friend, AIDS activist Pedro Zamora, Winick embarked
on a national AIDS education lecture tour. Later, the lecture and his
friendship with Zamora was documented in his award-winning graphic
novel “Pedro And Me.”

Winick next created his original comic book series, “Adventures of
Barry Ween, Boy Genius,” and then began a long running stint as one of
the top writers on mainstream super hero comics. Winick has scripted
such titles as Batman, Superman, Green Lantern, Trials Shazam, Green
Arrow and Outsiders (for DC Comics), Exiles (for Marvel) and Star Wars
(for Dark Horse). He also was the creator and executive producer of
Cartoon Network’s animated series, The Life and Times of Juniper Lee.

He is currently developing live action television and animation,
writing the new bi-weekly comic title for DC Comics “Justice League:
Generation Lost,” as well as the monthly “Power Girl.”

In 2005, Winick presented his Red Hood storyline in the Batman comics
and it was met with tremendous sales alongside powerful waves of
controversy. He has evolved that story into the script for the all-new
DC Universe film,  Batman: Under the Red Hood. In celebration of the
film’s July 27 street date, DC Comics will distribute a six-issue
mini-series, “Red Hood: The Lost Days.” Written by Winick and drawn by
Pablo Raimondi, the mini-series offers greater insight into the back
story of the title character.

From the producing triumvirate of Warner Premiere, DC Entertainment
and Warner Bros. Animation, Batman: Under the Red Hood will be
distributed by Warner Home Video as a Special Edition version on
Blu-Ray™ and 2-disc DVD, as well as being available on single disc
DVD, On Demand and for Download.

Winick is thrilled with the way his words have transitioned from
comic/graphic novel to screenplay to animated film in the form of
Batman: Under the Red Hood, and is only too happy to talk about the
end result. Here are some of his thoughts …


QUESTION: What was the greatest challenge in taking your graphic novel
to script format?

JUDD WINICK:  I had to take two years of story and boil it down to 75
minutes of film, and that’s a challenge and liberating at the same
time. It forces one to cut out all the fat and get to the heart of it.
It’s about making a movie. And for those who know anything about
movies, it’s about putting one foot in front of the other, building
from one scene to the next to the next and so on. There are no
cul-de-sacs or crossovers – it’s all about getting the story to its
essence.

QUESTION: Were you disappointed with what you needed to cut out?

JUDD WINICK:  Actually, I was thrilled about what went in. I’m really,
really happy that the emotional core of the story is still there. We
don’t really get to tell stories like this in animation. The opera of
it all is usually reserved for live action. This story is about
characters actually emoting and dealing with horrible situations.
Animation usually gets just the action and the visualization, and not
the characters actually feeling anything. So it was nice we got to do
that.


QUESTION: Can you describe the gratification of watching your words
come to animated life?

JUDD WINICK:  It’s great. And I don’t mean to take anything away from
writing for comics, as this is just a different form of story telling.
One of the fun parts of writing for film is that it allows you the
freedom for your characters to just shut up and fight. We can’t do
that in comics – there always has to be some banter or internal
monologue. More importantly, it’s gratifying to see the words and
action come to life in all the ways film affords – through  incredibly
talented actors giving the words all that emotional impact; and to see
the characters actually fight and run and yell and shout and cry. They
become living, breathing beings. That’s a very exhilarating experience
for a writer.

QUESTION: Do the voices of Bruce Greenwood, Jensen Ackles, Neil
Patrick Harris and John DiMaggio match what you had in your head while
writing the dialogue?

JUDD WINICK:  I’ve been writing these characters for years, and it’s
remarkable the job those actors did. Greenwood is about as Batman as
you can get – which is exactly what you want. You don’t want to be
surprised – as soon as he speaks, you want to say to yourself, “That’s
Batman.” Nightwing is exactly as I’ve had him in my head – Neil
Patrick Harris couldn’t possibly do it better. I’d like to do an
entire feature with Bruce Greenwood as Batman and Neil Patrick Harris
as Nightwing.

Red Hood is funny for me because I thought I’d written this character
in this incarnation more than anyone else, but I had no clue what he’d
really sound like. And yet, when Jensen speaks, that’s the right tone
and timbre. As far as Joker, that is one of the truly great characters
that I think needs to be left up to interpretation. There’s only been
a handful of people who have created Joker – Mark Hamill set the
standard for animation, then you’ve got Jack (Nicholson) and Heath
Ledger. But John (DiMaggio) has such versatility, he could go anywhere
with it, and he made it totally his own. He really gives a very big
and gruff and masculine performance, so deep and throaty and bass.
He’s wonderfully scary and really gets the job done.

Wade Williams as Black Mask absolutely cracks me up. He’s like a lion.
Honestly, what came out in the animation came directly out of his
performance. Wade made him into a caged animal who might go off at any
second. He’s constantly roaring, which is an entirely different take
than I anticipated and that’s awesome. That’s an actor making
decisions and making it his own and really hitting the mark.


QUESTION: Executive Producer Bruce Timm says your pitch was unorthodox
in that it was over the phone and yet was absolutely perfect and
completely sold him. How’d you pull that off?

JUDD WINICK: I’d given a rougher pitch to Gregory Noveck (DC Comics’s
Senior Vice President of Creative Affairs) and he loved it, but we had
to pitch it to the gang. The schedule worked out that I had to be in
San Francisco, and they had to be in Burbank. That’s not the ideal way
to pitch, especially for me – I like to jump around a lot, shout a
lot, wave my hands and be theatrical. That’s especially true for this
pitch because it’s a very emotional script. I kind of sold the idea in
the first five minutes of the pitch, which was essentially describing
the first five minutes of the movie.

I thought this would be a cool animated feature, but to really tell
this story, we had to find a way to show Robin dying. We had to get
the history in quickly to start the movie with that emotional smack.
So I’m on my head set, going through this scene, talking about Batman
barreling down the street of Sarajevo, the Joker beating Robin to
death,. I’m banging my hands on the desk, yelling as loud as I can,
and by the time I said “Fade to black, cue to opening credits,” it was
just dead quiet on the other end of the line. I said, “Is everybody
still there?” And they said, “Yeah, that was awesome.” Done. Sold.

QUESTION: How did you first enter the Batcave as a fan?

JUDD WINICK: Like many people of my age, I’m sure I was reading the
comics but I remember watching the TV series more – and not really
liking it. It didn’t quite feel right. I know I enjoyed it more like
watching Super Friends, but I really gravitated toward the comics more
than anything. The series wasn’t dark enough. It didn’t have the edge
I wanted in my Batman. Ultimately, the TV show gave me a sense of what
I didn’t want Batman to be, even back then.


QUESTION: For The Real World fans out there … do you have any
inclination to do another reality show?

JUDD WINICK: I would say NEVER. Laughs. Doing reality was like
elective surgery. I got the nose job, it worked out just fine. I don’t
need a touch up, and I don’t need another one. When they started to do
the follow-ups, we just kept saying “No” until they stopped asking us.
We have jobs and responsibilities and really don’t need the money or
the humiliation. And most importantly, we had a fairly extraordinary
and terrible experience during the show and still came out positively.
We are very lucky in that way, and I would not assume to tempt fate
and do anything like it again.


QUESTION: Do you feel Batman: Under the Red Hood fits into Batman’s
current live-action film tone?

JUDD WINICK: I’d say Christopher Nolan’s The Dark Knight was sort of
the catalyst. After seeing that film, it got my juices going thinking
that we could do something like that with a Red Hood arc. At the time,
I didn’t even know what Warner Premiere was working on. It all started
with a quick email to Gregory (Noveck) asking if they were looking for
any more Batman features. Comics and film present very specific camps
for the characters and the stories. Animation should be its own genre
that straddles between the two that can give comic fans the product
their hoping to see, and provide a new vision for the fans who only
know these characters in the most mainstream way.


QUESTION: Do you like presenting your stories in animated form?

JUDD WINICK: I really do. I’m a cartoonist. I don’t draw for money,
and mostly what I do is the writing. But that’s how I view myself more
than anything else – as a cartoonist. I grew up on animation, and I
always loved knowing that the cartoons on the page could actually come
to life. I worshipped at the alter of Chuck Jones, and realized at a
very young age that one guy did all the things I love best. I love it
as a medium and I love how it’s evolved. Animation features have
exploded – there is more high-end animation being produced now than
ever before, and I think that’s great.

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